SL VUITTON TROPHY SUNDAYS mATCHES

[Don Berithos]

Hats off to all who raced today was a great first round finals tommrrow line up here on the isail blog.THANKS TO THE GREAT SL COAST GUARD AND TIG GREAT JOB THANKS TO LIV AND JANE AND AMYS GREAT RD JOB ALSO TO HAY FOR COMING ON BOARD AS A JUDGE AND ALSO CHAIOS YOU ROCK OF COARSE ROAN BLACKBURN WHO KEEPS ME TOGETHER AND OUR CLUB FINALS MATCHES START 10 AM SL
LINK FOR RESULTS OF TODAY AND TMMRROWS PAIRINGS http://isailsl.blogspot.com/

[Kentrock Messmer]

Wow Don this sounds very cool. Could you give me a start and finish date so I can put it on my calendar?

[Don Berithos]

thank you for your interest again if you read the slide persentation it pretty mich covers everthiing .
As far as thr urles there being worked on . everything is not on place as i would belive youd know fron your own TROPHY RACE.If you would like to be on the race committe im me or email the club from the site or drop me a note card. If there is more than four yacht clubs we will ajust the about of boats . Courses should be 6:00 to seven minutes max. in the round robins . This also has been presented to aca naive and appoved. Livv and jane are also involed so you noight want to drop them a line . I hope we have you join on i think your a main componient in big trophy regagttas .
As ive been doing alot of this my self and all roan great support we sure could us your great knowledge base n this event thanks don .

[Don Berithos]

Wow Don this sounds very cool. Could you give me a start and finish date so I can put it on my calendar?

I would like to start the round robins as soon as june or even in conjuction with the rl life Vuitton Final I cant reallygive you a date until each club has signed on and has looked at there own calendar The GGwsyc will donate any of its tme slots to anyone who would need them for a vuitton related event or even swap slots what ever will work, Ive done it this way because i want the host clubs to have as mich control as possiable of there event with in the rules of coarse.Thanks don Please sign up and follow the blog because we will be presenting at the media room in LaMaddalena and we need all the heads we can get our hands on.

[Liv Leigh]

TYC has sent in a proposal for it's qualification event. It will be one out of 4 (or 5) events that will produce the 8 (or 10) finalists Don wants. Later this day I will publish the details in this thread.

[Bea Woodget]

As big as it was--and it was much bigger than I anticipated it would be--the SL ACA 2010 was a comparatively "small" race. It required the cooperation of one yacht club, one start line and the monoplisation of the Blake Sea for 17-18 hours.

By comparison, J-Classic 2009 was a tremendous leap higher in scale and grid-wide impact. Based on what I've read about your vision for an SL Vuitton Trophy Series, it will be even larger than the J-Classic.

Round robins take a lot of time. The formula looks like this, for N boats: N(N-1)/2*(length of race). What this translates to in rough numbers is 1 hour for 4 boats, 3 hours for 6 boats, almost 5 hours for 8 boats.

SL ACA 2010 had 44 boats registered to race. Assuming 5 participating yacht clubs, you'd need in excess of 25 hours of racing to bring that field down to 10 boats. Then you'd still need to run your Finals, which you haven't defined, so I have no estimate.

Plus, the crux of my concern: we (SL sailing) do not yet have critical mass for true match racing tournaments. Most racers are somewhat competent with RRSSL, which doesn't even come close to the full RRS, let alone the Appendix C modifications for match racing.

My recommendation, if you want to get something on the water during La Maddalena, is to do something simple. Forget match racing. You don't have the resources and I'm specifically referring to qualified umpires.

Do a series of fleet races. If you want to get a little match racing in, take the top 4 finishers and run them through a little sudden death or Best of # bracket, but use regular fleet rules.

Spend the next five months educating sailors in the full match racing ruleset, qualifying umpires, and planning for Dubai in November.

Work your contacts at WSTA and/or Alcatel-Lucent/9th.com and build something spectacular. It may not be financially feasible, but I would think a recreation of the Dubai racing venue in SL would be pretty sweet. Then you could really recreate the LV competition in SL.

This also has been presented to aca naive and appoved. Livv and jane are also involed so you noight want to drop them a line . I hope we have you join on i think your a main componient in big trophy regagttas .
As ive been doing alot of this my self and all roan great support we sure could us your great knowledge base n this event thanks don .

Thank you for the invitation, don, but I already have an event planned for mid-June. I will contact you off-forum regarding scheduling.

As for the SLVT, at this time I can only participate at an advisory level. You have some choices to make. After that, I can suggest some actions. If you'd like to know what your exact decision points are, contact me in world (or better yet, naeve.rossini@gmail.com) and I'll provide them.

Agreed.

Also, it took 3 entire months to complete the last Fizz Cup (and 6 of work), to give you an idea...http://slsailing.com/cups/2009-fizz-world-cup/
Regarding the competition format, whatever it uses round-robin, single or double, and/or knockout, I think a "match" should be made of at least 2 heats (eventually 3) to be fair: the best of 2 runs. It was (my opinion) a weaknesses during the last SL-ACA Cup, to avoid leaving too much room for chance (crashes...).
So a match may take 20 to 30 minutes, a single round-robin with 4 boats = 6 match = 3 hours. (14 hours for 8 boats)

[Liv Leigh]

A radically different approach would be:
A self-paced competition, with a tournament table. Racers are responsible for their own appointments with the other competitors and finding jury. Top 8 or so proceed to the Vuitton finals. I would find it an interesting thing, since it will enable racers to choose any weekday they prefer to race, thereby reducing the impact on calendar. On the other hand: the match racing calendars we had have already proven that it is very hard to get most sailors to actually plan their own races and compete in them unless you force the start times upon them.

Maybe you could reserve several 'match racing hours' then at various startlines, where competitors can sign in and meet the sailors they still have to race against.

But now.. this is just ideas; I filed a proposal with a description of how TYC would handle it's qualifying round. I expect to be able to tell more about this in a couple of hours.

[Liv Leigh]

I am submitting the following proposal for a qualification round at TYC, naturally in the event that Don accepts our application for hosting one of the qualifying events. If no major objections from the organisation or other involved parties occur, I will start the subscription process for our qualification round tomorrow.

TYC Proposal for Louis Vuitton qualification event

TYC will run one out of 4 (or 5) qualification events for the Louis Vuitton Trophy in SL.


Timeschedule
The qualification event will be held in the weekend of june 5th.


Race Format
There will be a minimum of 2, a maximum of 4 fleet regatta's, depending on the number of entries. This is to cover the following scenario's:

2 fleet reggatta's, each with 4 entries maximum. Each regatta will consist of 4 races.
- Best 2 out of each fleet regatta proceeds to match racing tournament with 4 boats. 10 match races between those 4 boats will be held to determine the winner.

3 fleet reggatta's, each with 4 entries maximum. Each regatta will consist of 4 races.
- Best 1 out of each fleet regatta proceeds to match racing tournament with 3 boats. 6 match races between those 4 boats will be held to determine the winner.

4 fleet reggatta's, each with 4 entries maximum. Each regatta will consist of 4 races.
- Best 2 out of each fleet regatta proceeds to match racing tournament with 4 boats. 10 match races between those 4 boats will be held to determine the winner.


Entries
We will accept a maximum of 16 entries for our series. They will be divided across 2 to 4 groups, with a maximum of 4 boats per group. Entrants will be divided amongst the groups according to their SLSA ranking for ACA class, result at last ACA Cup and preference for timeslots as submitted in our subscription form.


Ruleset
Ruleset for the fleet races will be Full ISAF rules, with one exception: Maximum penalty turn will be 360 degrees. This to suit the rules better to relative course length in SL.

For the match races, we will try to closely match the Vuitton Rules and make adaptations where needed to adapt to the metaverse's constraints. For now: just study ISAF match racing rules. More news will follow.

Liv Leigh,

Commodore
Tradewinds Yacht Club

[Bea Woodget]

Liv, there is something I don't understand:
- Scenario 2: "...with 3 boats. 6 match races between those 4 boats..."
- Scenario 3, "4 fleet reggatta's...Best 2 out of each fleet regatta proceeds to match racing tournament with 4 boats" Best 2 of 4 fleet = 8 boats? Isn't it "best 1 out of...." ?
- Also, how do you get 10 match races with 4 boats? or 6 MR with 3? I find you need 6(12/18 heats) with 4 boats, and 3(6/9) with 3 boats. Round robin or something else?

[Liv Leigh]

Liv, there is something I don't understand:
- Scenario 2: "...with 3 boats. 6 match races between those 4 boats..."
- Scenario 3, "4 fleet reggatta's...Best 2 out of each fleet regatta proceeds to match racing tournament with 4 boats" Best 2 of 4 fleet = 8 boats? Isn't it "best 1 out of...." ?
- Also, how do you get 10 match races with 4 boats? or 6 MR with 3? I find you need 6(12/18 heats) with 4 boats, and 3(6/9) with 3 boats. Round robin or something else?

Oww okay, maybe I miscounted there, it should be 12 and 6 races then, maybe a half competition is better then, wiht each finalist meeting each other once only.The main thing is: I'm looking for a solution that makes it possible to do the round within a single weekend, with a nr. of options after a few initial fleet races. I'll have to work on the details anyways. The main purpose is to get things in motion here, with a format that TYC can handle within a single weekend.

If it will work remains to be seen. I doubt the actual capability of some other sailing groups in SL to organise a round in the Vuitton Trophy on their own. But then.. Who cares? While some may lack motivation and/or ambition, others will be willing to step in.

[Jane Fossett]

grin... details are important.
maybe we go ahead and hammer out the details with don's ok.
Liv and don should talk.

[Don Berithos]

We will be going over the formats this weekend will have a soilid foundation soon .a
Easyest thing is to sign up .And lets get the bal rolling we are going to make it a simple as possiable .
ive already done a match race format and if you keep the race to six minutes you shouod be abile to race at least 2 matches to there sets of thre matchs in one hour . thats three down . Now if we would please get the ampouts of clubs organized we can schedule the finals and the round robins or the format we come upo with if the clubs dont want a say in this then we will post the schedule s and the line s and the courses for you .
Please stop waiting for the entire format and please sign up first so we know what and how my we have .Just like the cup race . we need to know how many . As far as the posts here of goom and doom sorry maybe we should just forget the whole thing . Im kidding of course . Lets go people get involved .I feel with people like jane fosset and liv involved we will have a great series So far we have woot nauticai as a sponser and COCO designs Also the SL VUITTON trophy will Provide the winner with a ACA 3.0 When it is ready .As one of our Grand prizes.
So lets please put the gloom and doom away shall we and welcome this new trophy into sl remeber . you never get any where with out putting one foot forward. Don.

[Jane Fossett]

Grin... pick a foot... We'll try!!

[Liv Leigh]

General Layout of the SL Vuitton Trophy

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We will work around upcoming SFL and RFL events.
Race format for the individual clubs is up to the clubs themselves.

Besides this, I have created a work document for the planning of time and staff, which can be found at the following link:
https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Ag6w2eXmpOFRdDJ4WXFGSTZHcVktVXNwODRhV2hSbVE&hl=en
This spreadsheet will be filled in as we proceed. There is a second tab added as we speak, which covers round 1. Other clubs are welcome to copy this tab for their own event in the Trophy qualification rounds, or ignore it and work on a document of their own.

As you may see, I am using a format similar to the quarter and semi-finals for the layout of round 1. Reasons for this are obvious: we can learn from this and we want to give a suggestion to those who are not sure yet how to fill in their part of the qualifying rounds.

Let me sum up the following:

Subscriptions for clubs
To apply for one of the qualification rounds in the SL Vuitton Trophy, IM Jane Fossett or Liv Leigh. We have a number of applications in already, so there are only a few rounds left as we speak. We will consider the following aspects for a club's eligibility:
- Motivation
- Balance within the existing program
- Competence
- Quality of facilities

Subscriptions for competitors
Subscriptions for competitors will be handled per club. There is an example subscription form available at the TYC website: http://sites.google.com/site/tradewindsyc/project-updates/tychostsslvuittonqualifications
This is also the form to subscribe for round 1 in qualifications, which starts august 5th.

Sailing rules
Clubs are suggested to closely follow the Match Racing rules, in line with the real life Vuitton Trophy. Rules for the finals will be published as we proceed.

[Bea Woodget]

It looks rather good, very similar to the format we discussed together in past weeks for the Fizz Cup. It should work in the principle.
Meanwhile, I ll do my best to explain some generalities (and details) about Match Racing, using dotCOM. A series of several articles is underway as you may have seen with Part I. Having the schedule now does help for the publication calendar and for the Fizz Cup also. Looking forward for more details. ty